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Barack Obama the Antichrist? [Jul. 12th, 2008|11:59 pm]
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While recently watching the Decoding the Past episode I mentioned in my last post, I had a thought.

They mentioned the Bible, particularly the Revelation of John. Before John's Armageddon there is the rise of the Antichrist. Everyone loves the Antichrist. He's seems like a good guy, is even given power over the world, even though he seemingly rose to popularity from nowhere. If you take the stance that the battle of Armageddon starts in 2012 and you add a bit of American egoism to it you can come to a fun conclusion.

So what happens in 2012 in America? A Presidential election.
Who do we know that's running for 2008 that generally everyone loves, is a great guy, nobody had heard of him until recently, and will probably win meaning he'll be most likely to win again in 2012?

That's right, Barack Obama.

One thing that has to happen for someone to be the Antichrist is that he must "be wounded in the head and thought dead only to rise again". With the growing interest on the web of people wanting to assassinate Obama if he wins coupled with the greatness of current medicine, it could just happen to him. Hopefully not, not only for his well-being but the world's.

So let's see, everyone predicting the end in 2012, the last President before then who fits the profile somewhat, and we're running out of pre-Apocalypse popes.

I'm sure if I pressed the issue I could come up with 50 reasons why Obama is the Antichrist, but none of them would matter. We'll see when we see. (Oddly enough, someone has done it for me: Barack Obama the Antichrist?)

Disclaimer: I AM NOT claiming that Barack Obama is the Antichrist, nor am I claiming that he isn't, nor do I wish he is, nor do I wish for this to influence your vote for the next USA President. Vote for whomever you think will do the best job. Potential Antichrist or not, I'm still leaning toward voting Obama. Though I'm not officially endorsing Obama or McCain.

Now, if you made it this far you're in for a reality check and bit more seriousness.

The Term Antichrist

Society is always thinking someone is the Antichrist. Unfortunately, the Bible doesn't actually predict a single antichrist. It does make mention of the term, but is used as a general term for anyone who says that Jesus of Nazareth was not the Jewish Messiah. One can use the term, however, to describe the first beast from the sea in the Revelation of John of Patmos, namely because the beast's main purpose was to rule the world and blaspheme the people to his favor, thereby making him not only an antichrist but arguably the Antichrist.

Analysis of the Revelation

Hah, you thought I was going to do a full analysis in this paragraph. Good luck. Do your own if you seriously think Obama could be the Antichrist. After you read the book over and over, research John of Patmos, research the history of how the book came into canon, the subtleties of the translations you've been reading (you did read more than one right?), and rack your brain trying to make heads or tails of the text, you'll come to the conclusion that it is so complicated and arbitrary that we could only match it up as a postdiction and never a prediction, even then it would be a challenge. But that shouldn't stop you from trying. Feel free.

Metamorphosis of the Imagery

I mentioned above the idea that the Antichrist will rise from obscurity. You probably thought that was the accepted case. Why? The book says that the beast rose from the sea. That could be taken to mean many things. Obscurity, turmoil, a body of water, etc. You could do an analysis of the original text to see exactly what word John used, then cross-reference that to its accepted connotations in the same era, but you'll probably come up with a really long list of things.

The beast has 7 heads, with "names of blasphemy" on each, and 10 horns, with a diadem on each. The form of a leopard, the feet of a bear, the mouth of a lion. Since I doubt we'll be seeing that anytime soon (though genetics is now creating chimeras) I'd assume this is metaphor. Most obvious modern interpretation is a single entity consisting of 7 parts, each ruling a deadly sin, and together controlling 10 industries of some sort. An entity so powerful that the world is handed to it (hence why some think the UN is the beast). Another obvious interpretation is a single person embodying all blasphemies, ruling 10 things, and with 7 seemingly independent facets.

So the Antichrist is wounded in the head, thought dead, then rises again to the wonder of the world. I wrote the last paragraph so I could point this odd general acceptance out. Most every bit of media you see has a single person as the Antichrist, who generally gets shot or otherwise wounded in the head. Why? That doesn't make sense in either of the two obvious interpretations. A portion of the beast is supposed to appear slain and rise again. This causes much "wonder" on the part of the public. Then later there is much rejoicing and idolatry of the beast.

Conclusion

I wrote that I could come up with at least 50 reasons why he is the Antichrist, on that same note I could also come up with 50 reasons why he isn't the Antichrist, the cons possibly being more compelling than the pros. But it wouldn't really get us anywhere would it? So I'm going to just throw this out there and let it live in the aether. I know this post is a bit disconnected, but it is on purpose, it is for you to consider these disconnected cases. Feel free to comment and let me know what you think.

A little errata

Snopes tried to debunk a chain letter that's been going around about this topic, though I have to say they did a pretty lame job of it. Thought to be fair, they did successfully debunk the letter. However, they spun it like they were debunking the idea, which they didn't.

The official name of the Biblical book is "The Book of Revelation". Known historically as "The Apocalypse of John" or "The Apocalypse of the theologian", otherwise known as "The Revelation to John", and "Revelation(s)". Though oddly enough, it refers to itself as "The Revelation of Jesus Christ" and was written by John of Patmos, Patmos is a Greek Island. "Apocalypse" means "unveiling" in Greek, therefore "Apocalypse to John" can mean "Revelation to John". Make sense?

So you thought the Apocalypse was the end of days? No, it is the story of the end of days. The final battle contained in the story is referred to as Armageddon. Which has its own sorted history of language misconceptions.
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[User Picture]From: nighthellcat
2008-07-13 08:20 pm (UTC)
genetics*
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[User Picture]From: jokeyxero
2008-07-13 10:23 pm (UTC)
Thanks, programming typo slipped in there...
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[User Picture]From: nighthellcat
2008-07-13 10:41 pm (UTC)
It's what I do. =)
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[User Picture]From: alcoholicmemory
2008-07-14 01:37 am (UTC)
I almost pointed that out, but decided against it.
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From: (Anonymous)
2008-09-12 12:15 am (UTC)

pascalikeme@yahoo.dwe

Well my dear, I am happy you would like to know about things of GOD, Barack Obama is a very fine man, even an innocent young man, if we are to talk about the anti christ , it should not be such a handsome and innocent African young man whom his fathers were suffering slavery in the western world, who has not done any thing wrong. This is the first light and life the blacks could have in their life in the western world. But we know that Satan is a criminal, he uses the best frut of God on earth to do offences.We can not include barack Obama in any offence in human race because he is a young man who has not known evil, he started to be a sinator when he was 3o and some years. He is a nice man and loving. He is more inteligent even more than all his combatants in politics and he is more gentle and God fearing. If we talk about ant christ, we talk about war mongers, like Hitler of Germany, The American president who bount the blood of the If I was the one that cut a pilot who bomb my people, I will never let him alive I will kill him like an a goat and we the solders could have grilled his meat like a goat and eat it as a flesh because he was an animal and not a human being because he was bombig people with his foolish bombs, both solders and civilans. But I am very much ashemed that he is now supporting bush to fight the Iraqi war. I want you to know that God is the Judge and his name is Jesus. The remperor of heavens who his eyes is like a furnance and the water enter back into the environment as the air which it was made off. Stop any body who wants to destory people through war without reason. You know that Islamic religion boost terorism, we want and emperor who will wake up and stop terrorism and since Islamic religion boost terorism and even the master of it, why should we keep Islam them. Is Islam really a religious organisation? No! Rather this is a brotherhood which is evil cult that wants to destroy innocent people. Therefore America as a great nation was not suppose to wake up and start accusing a man even Saddam Hussin against the weapon of masdistruction which he did not have and through that they haged the whole world into war with it only because they new that they have power and are much respected in the whole world. This was wrong. I told Bush your president to wake and barn Islam because it is not a religion but a brother hood which kills innocent people. Saddam Hussein was hot realy a bad man even he did not like these desportive moslems who want to kill, therefore he was not dangerous. But your president Bush rejected my words and realy continued with is fallcious propaganda against Sadam and Iraq and continued the war even up to the point of hanging Saddam Hussein and the rest of the Iraqi rullers. He then gave the country Iraq into the hand of the really despotic wicked moslem which is the Hess Balla and his Islamic nation OIC.

Now listin,the God of heaven even Jesus said, if he said that a man is bad, if one tells this man and he changes and become good, this man will live because he has stoped wickedness and become good, but if he said a man is bad and the prophet should worn him, if the prophet refuses to warn him and he continues in his wickedness, the prophet will pay for his blood and the man wil shurly die. Now listing I am also one of those who heard of spirit even God and saw also what Barack Obama was always holding on his hand, which was a puppet of human head which was beheaded human head. This is the sign of ant christ and he was proved with those things as the Beast which was to give every man the mark of the Beast 6.6.6 in human flesh and I Called thata child of God should go to him and teach him of Jesus and baptise him, so that he shall recieve the holy spirit and become and angel of God, so that he will be able to attend to heavens. I want you to know that there are many things you do not know. Jesus said, unless a man is born again, he can not enter into the kingdom of heavens, that which is born of flesh is flesh and that which is born of spirit is spirit.John 3:1-6 . Jesus is the owner of human race and takes care of them too, I think he will not be able to dribble God. I Like him and he is a wise young man.
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[User Picture]From: jokeyxero
2008-09-12 03:41 pm (UTC)

Re: pascalikeme@yahoo.dwe

1. I wouldn't call him "innocent".
2. He's a black American (partially), not African.
3. What does his race have to do with anything?
4. Do you have proof that his direct ancestors were slaves?
5. If his ancestors were slaves, what does that have to do with anything?
6. Don't pretend that blacks are under-represeted in politics, media, and western culture. They are over-represented in media, almost a perfect population-to-representation ratio in politics, and have had many remarkable icons in the past. If this is their first "light and life" then who were Dr. King, Frederick Douglas, Malcolm X, and the always present (if not cheesy) Jesse Jackson?
7. "Can't include him in any offence in human race"? What proof do you have of that? Behing young as you stated is not reason for this, and 47 is not "young".
8. "Has not known evil?" Can you say that with a straight face? He's a POLITICIAN. If he doesn't know evil then he can't do his job, since its purpose is to keep evil in check with legistlation.
9. He does seem to be a nice man and loving father.
10. He is intelligent, though I doubt he's more intelligent than the collective minds of his "political combatants".
11. Show me textual proof from The Bible, the Papacy, or any acceptable Canon Christian text that say the antichrist is a warmonger.
12. What is the random goat commentary about?
13. So murder and cannibalism are ok if the homo sapien you kill and eat isn't "human" in your eyes?
14. Who is supporting Bush and the Iraqi war?
15. We have to support the war we started in Iraqi. To abbandon it immediately and leave the country in the state we mostly created would be irresponsible. We need to clean up after ourselves.
16. The Christian God's name is not Jesus.
17. The "Judge" is actually St. Peter since he controls the gates and the book of life. In theory, he is only executing the will of God, but to that extent, so is Satan.
18. War is never without reason. Battles may be without reason, but war is not. Though that does not mean the reason is a good one. But it only has to be good enough to convince those that give the orders and approvals.
19. The Islamic religion itself does not boost terrorism. Certain militant Islamic extremist groups are behind terroism. Other groups are helping them, not all of them Islamic. Some may even be Christian.
20. The USA does not need/want an emporer. It uses a president. I know we keep thinking we're Rome, but let's not go down that route.
21. The current president is a little too awake on terrorism. So much so that he sees it in places where it doesn't exist.
22. Islam is not now nor has ever been the master of terrorism. Indivdiual people are the master of terrorism. However, they may use arguments based on the faith of their culture to justify their terrorism.
23. Islam is a religious organization the same way that Christianity, Judism, Buddhism, and Scientology are religious organizations. It's a collection of groups of people who practice similar rituals and believe in similar codes. If they do not believe in their code fully (until death) then by the code they are not practioners.
24. Islam is not an evil cult that wants to destroy innocent people. On the majority it is just as peaceful as Christians and Jews.
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[User Picture]From: jokeyxero
2008-09-12 03:41 pm (UTC)

Re: pascalikeme@yahoo.dwe

25. Terrorist groups want to destroy people. They do not believe those people are innocent. Their actions are rational and they feel it is the only way to make the world listen.
26. The representatives that the US population ELECTED [mostly] LEGALLY decided in the majority that we needed to go to war in Iraq and hunt down Saddam. This country has a system of checks and balances that prevents any one man or group from declaring war. We, as a republic, decided to go to war, not President Bush.
27. Again, Islam is not a murder organization. It is a religion with extremist groups. Did the world ban Catholism when the Pope sanctioned the Crusades? They were much more bloody and unjust than the Iraq war. Did the Crusades make Catholism a terrorist organization?
28. Saddam was a bad man. He ordered genocide. He personally shot people. He ordered torture. He hoarded money. He repressed those with views other than his own. He broke a politcal balance of power by seeding those with his backing into "elected" positions. of course he didn't like terrorist that blew up his stuff, you wouldn't either. He was a Muslim himself, so according to your logic, he was a "good terroist"?
29. Don't forget, that the USA also put Saddam into power. We also removed him from power. It's all for political back-scratching and monetary stability.
30. I know nothing of Hezbollah so I can not comment.
31. You've [sort of] quoted the verse that Catholics used for the justifying the Crusades. That is, anyone who actively refuses to give up their "evil ways" is subject to execution. HUMANS have spun that to mean that they can deal out the execution. Near the end of the Crusades, it was rejudged that God would deal in death and not humans. Certain Islamic group have this same justification at the moment, except it comes from the Qur'an. Which is essentially, Judaism+Jesus as Prophet+Muhammad. Just as Christianity is essentially Judaism+Jesus as Messiah. (Yes, that is an overgeneralization.)
32. I believe the way you spun the verse is trying to note that the prophet should die for not doing his duty to attempt to convert the wicked man. That is, idleness is punished by death.
33. What the hell are you talking about with Barack holding a human head puppet?
34. Are you saying that Barack is or isn't the antichrist?
35. The mark of the beast is 666, not 6.6.6.
36. Humans can not become angels in Christianity.
37. Flesh always contains the spirit. Just because you are born again does not mean your flesh can not win out in the long run. You must remain of spirit to reach Heaven.
38. Jesus is only the owner of the Christians that accept him, all others belong to Satan (in the abstract) as noted by God upon allowing him dominion over hell and influence over the hearts.
39. If you don't believe in Christianity then #38 means nothing. You believe someone else (or nobody) rules over all creation or at least parts of it.
40. Who do you like? Who is a wise young man?


So, did you even read the post or did you stop after the first section. The second half of the post refutes everything I said in the first half as being unfounded. The subtext of the post is that nobody does their own research on these kind of topics -- a point that you've just nicely illustrated.


Errata:
"Hess Balla" is Hezbollah.
"Moslem" is Muslim.
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From: (Anonymous)
2009-01-05 04:38 pm (UTC)

Re: pascalikeme@yahoo.dwe

All this stuff arises from your imaginations and therefore they exist only in your minds.Everytime a new world leader arises ,you people jump in to proclaim that he is the Antichrist. you dont know Christ, Your idea of Christianity arises from Paul Who never met Christ,and Emperor Constantin who destroyed 200 copies of Gospels and killed the guardians of the Gospels and chose the four gospels that you read in your Bible today,go to the present day Constantinople and look for the Church and find the Bones of the 200 and do your Scientific research and then you will realise your folly.

Sad.,and Pathetic...

The guardians of the Christian Faith ,the pope and his office are built to maintain the political power base,,read your history not the ones from wikipedia.

the church propogates drinking the blood of Christ and eating his BODY and worship a dead man hanging from the Cross..HaHAHaHa....What CRAP is this?
This has got nothing to do with Jesus?

THIS is the WORK of Satan.

ALL Christians are the FOllowers of the DEVIL,and the children of the DEVIL,their controllers( the ones who built a Golden calf to worship despite the 10 open miracles of Moses )
WAKE up PEOPLE ...Find the TRUTH.
It is not out there.
IT is in you and me and everyone of us the Humans.
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From: (Anonymous)
2009-01-19 01:03 am (UTC)

whoever wrote the attempt to disprove christianity.

My name is Matthew Scott Phillips. Feel free to e-mail me at Shancus2@aim.com

1. There is historical evidence that these people existed.

2. There are scientific findings that support stories from the bible.

3. Our idea of the Antichrist is derived from several books from both the NEW and OLD testimants of the bible.

4. Constantine, (there is an E) was not a christian. He was a Pagan and persecuted and killed hundreds maybe even thousands of christians, although he later made Christianity the official religion of the Holy Roman Empire.

5. Constantine did NOT choose which books went into the NEW Testimant of the bible.

6. The Council of Nicea (325 Ano Domini) decided which books would enter, they also created the Nicene Creed if you are familiar with that.

7. The Christian Faith came from a Schism from Judaism as Jews believe in Jesus (yes they believe he existed) as a great rabbi, and Christians believe he is the messiah.

8. The bread and wine we use in communion is symbolic, not the actual blood and body you sick freak.

9. "This has got nothing to do with Jesus" Jesus was the one who told the disciples to partake in this act you idiot.

10. It is not the work of satan, Jesus rebuked Satan.

11. The Jews built the Golden Calf while Moses was ontop Mt. Sianii recieveing the ten commandments.

12. Do your research and do not try to dissprove Chrisianity, especially when you have no idea what you are talking about.
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From: (Anonymous)
2009-01-19 01:03 am (UTC)

Re: pascalikeme@yahoo.dwe

1. There is historical evidence that these people existed.

2. There are scientific findings that support stories from the bible.

3. Our idea of the Antichrist is derived from several books from both the NEW and OLD testimants of the bible.

4. Constantine, (there is an E) was not a christian. He was a Pagan and persecuted and killed hundreds maybe even thousands of christians, although he later made Christianity the official religion of the Holy Roman Empire.

5. Constantine did NOT choose which books went into the NEW Testimant of the bible.

6. The Council of Nicea (325 Ano Domini) decided which books would enter, they also created the Nicene Creed if you are familiar with that.

7. The Christian Faith came from a Schism from Judaism as Jews believe in Jesus (yes they believe he existed) as a great rabbi, and Christians believe he is the messiah.

8. The bread and wine we use in communion is symbolic, not the actual blood and body you sick freak.

9. "This has got nothing to do with Jesus" Jesus was the one who told the disciples to partake in this act you idiot.

10. It is not the work of satan, Jesus rebuked Satan.

11. The Jews built the Golden Calf while Moses was ontop Mt. Sianii recieveing the ten commandments.

12. Do your research and do not try to dissprove Chrisianity, especially when you have no idea what you are talking about.
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[User Picture]From: jokeyxero
2008-09-12 03:45 pm (UTC)

Re: pascalikeme@yahoo.dwe

Slight correction to 19.

19. The Islamic religion itself does not boost terrorism. Certain militant Islamic extremist groups are behind some terrorism. Other groups are helping them, not all of them Islamic. Some may even be Christian. Not all terrorists are religious and they're not all in one giant organization. They are independent groups. Some work together, some do not. Just like nations.
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From: (Anonymous)
2008-09-12 03:45 pm (UTC)

Re: pascalikeme@yahoo.dwe

Slight correction to 19.

19. The Islamic religion itself does not boost terrorism. Certain militant Islamic extremist groups are behind some terroism. Other groups are helping them, not all of them Islamic. Some may even be Christian. Not all terrorists are religious and they're not all in one giant organization. They are independent groups. Some work together, some do not. Just like nations.
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From: (Anonymous)
2009-11-23 04:33 pm (UTC)
dude there is so much wrong wit what you said ok yes the ac(anti christ) gets show comes back to life and he performs miricles that makes people believe he is jesus, and dont forget that there is a 7 year period where there is peace on earth no war meaning and right after that 7 year war breaks out and h e takes over ya dig so it couldnt be him
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[User Picture]From: jokeyxero
2009-12-14 02:50 am (UTC)
Um...yeah, next time finish reading a post before you comment.
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